Join San Diego Liberty Circle

You'll get invited to our Meetups as soon as they're scheduled!

SD Liberty Circle Education Series: Debate: Mike Benoit and Wes Bertrand

May '09 9 Sat 7:00 PM
Location
Joyce Beers Community Center

Vermont Street Building M-100
San Diego
San Diego, CA 92103
619-632-5053

This is a private home or office

How to find us
"I'll be hosting! The venue is across the street (SouthEast) from Trader Joes"

Estimated attendance
 17  people attended.
4.50 4.506
Price

$1.00 per person

SD Liberty Circle Meetup Group & San Diego County Libertarian Party Presents

“Small Government” vs. “No Government”

Debate & Forum

Featuring: Michael Benoit & Wes Bertrand

(Hosted and Organized by Joey Hill and moderated by Jeff Kugel)

This is the long awaited debate between Mike Benoit and Wes Bertrand, Limited Constitutional Government vs Anarcho-Capitalism.

Location:
The Debate will be held at the Joyce Beers Community Center on Vermont Street, Building #M-100 in Hillcrest, San Diego, CA, 92103 on Saturday May, 9th starting @ 7: pm. www.ronpaul.meetup.com/93/ & www.sdlp.org ([masked])

Please come join us for what should be a lively and informative Debate and Discussion between former Congressional Candidate and long time Libertarian Michael Benoit from San Diego’s 52nd District &
Local Anarcho-Capitalist Author and entrepreneur Wes Bertrand Saturday May 9th!!!!

JBC debate outline - by jeff kugel, moderator
I. structure of debate

1. intros - debaters define each others positions followed by comments and clarifications, and finally agreed upon definitions are presented formally

2. coin flip (preferably gold!) determines first up for details/arguments; winner may defer

3. there are no preset questions. debaters will argue positions and question each other. opponents will graciously yield upon own volition.

4. time will be monitored for each debater but there is no set limit. i will ask for a yield if i feel it is time. over the course of the debate i will attempt to even out the total time given to each participant

5. break for 5-10min after 1 hour. Debaters can review arguments, plan for closing, and comment on my performance

6. debate will continue for another 30-40 minutes, if necessary,then questions

7. audience, including me, can direct questions to a particular debater or both.

8. if question is directed to only one, the other may signal me that they would like to comment as well.

9. closing remarks

10.informal audience voting on performance and substance. lynching of loser [or perhaps just a little friendly tarring and feathering? w.b. ;].

II. biases -
1. i have known mike for longer, but have not researched either position; currently on the fence...

2. i will ask audience to notify me if they perceive bias in my moderating

III. audience participation -
1. only clarifications during debate period, questions afterward.

2. i will have pencils/paper available to audience and debaters for notes

IV. advice to debaters
1. facts vs. opinion - be prepared to cite provable facts

2. analogies are acceptable but not recommended - they tend to obfuscate instead of clarify

3. causality vs. correlation - be careful!

4. i may comment if i feel something is not provable but is being presented as so

5. being an educational forum, i expect participants to be respectful and gracious; set a good example

V. supply references for further research; send me a reading list and i will print copies for
the audience [i've posted my list on this meetup's board w.b.]

VI. some suggested topics to cover
1. explain potential impacts/benefits with regards to production and trade, defense or outside threats, law enforcement, human spirit, ecological/resource stewardship

2. how to realize the vision, i.e. steps to move towards new societal structure

3. historical precedence

Photos of this Meetup

No photos yet.

Talk about this Meetup

  • Posted May 8, 2009 10:58 AM
    Former Member
    Realize the implications of your self-ownership, as well as that of others and denounce statism.
  • Kevin
    Posted May 3, 2009 8:58 PM
    Assistant Organizer
    I second Craig's motion...also, can someone video this event?
  • Posted Apr 1, 2009 7:34 PM
    Former Member
    Abolish the state.

Who attended?

  • 17 attendees
    •  I knew it would be an intense, well-grounded debate given the debaters and I wasn't disappointed. Concerning the issues involved, it always comes down to this for me: taking someone's money or property without their permission is THEFT. It may be argued it's for the "greater good" (including "national defense") or that we have to live with the choices of the majority. Still, forcing me to give up part of what I earn is THEFT. Forcing a person to give up their property because more people think it's a good idea than those who don't is THEFT. (It's the old "2 wolves and a sheep deciding what's for dinner" situation.) There's just no way around that fact: if taxation and/or use of eminent domain are ok, then you're condoning THEFT. Yes, there are practical issues that need working out in a changed system, the end doesn't justify the means -- theft and coercion are never justified -- they're inconsistent with liberty. 
    •  A pretty intense evening for those who think ideas are important. I thought Wes prevailed, but I was on his side already. I would be curious to know if the debate sparked conversions either way in anybody. 
    •  A great discussion, which for me boils down to whether you would prefer to have government assume power over your private property (property tax, etc) for the better of the whole and defense of the Country or whther you should have the option to opt out of the contract with the Federal Government and be a sovereign individual free to choose his or her own means of defense. I prefer to rely on myself but I also understand that for maximum results I have to play the cards that were dealt and work from within a corrupt system to ultimately abolish it and keep integrity and principle while surrounded by corruption. 
    • juan (+1 guest)

Your organizer's refund policy for SD Liberty Circle Education Series: Debate: Mike Benoit and Wes Bertrand

Refunds offered if:

Payments you make go to the organizer, not to Meetup. You must make refund requests to the organizer.