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A VERY strong "amen" to Rashad's email about Alan Keyes.  I was asked to consider being his campaign chairman in Muscogee County in 2000, and darn near accepted it with excitement - I was that much in favor of Keyes at the time, and had been for several years.  I even used the name "keyes" as part of an email address I established after the nomination went to Bush, thinking I'd be supporting him again in 2004, and hoping he'd run.  That was then.  Like a much wiser old dog, my eyes have long since been opened - wide - about Alan Keyes.  Initially the wide open eyes were in disbelief.  Now, they're just in extreme caution.

Not long after the 2000 election, Keyes showed his true self, and I was appalled at what I heard come out of his mouth.  When I saw the first report of him having suddenly switched and supported reparations for descendents of slaves, I simply did not believe the story - I figured Keyes could not, would not, did not make that kind of a switch, after having been very vocal about how wrong reparations would be.  It turned out Keyes did, in fact, make that switch.  He's tried to weasel out of it by claiming he didn't actually say the word "reparations" - which he didn't - but the statements he made were crystal clear, and no one could possibly mistake that he meant exactly that.  That issue has been covered before here on the Columbus Ron Paul MeetUp Group mailing list, and many other places.

Jairus, that's just one thing about Keyes.  Check out his shady campaign finance management - that was an embarrassment to me even at the time, trying to find a way to "explain" it while I was still a supporter.  However, it became apparent that Keyes is an opportunist, and someone who suggested he is just trying to keep his name out in view to promote some radio show he apparently has, is probably correct, in my opinion.  And don't EVER make the mistake of sending him any money.  Once you're on his mailing list you get on multiple lists of his and he'll never leave you alone no matter how many times you write and ask to be taken off his mailing lists.  They're ALWAYS about sending him money for this or for that.

Alan Keyes is NOT a person whose values and beliefs are in close sync with Ron Paul, even though his lips make similar statements at times.  We would regret Alan Keyes just as much as we've regretted George Bush II.  He tricks people by getting their attention through strong opposition currently-serving politicians, using the hot-button issues to lure and hook people in.  It's only when you drill down into his details (and his past) that you realize who/what he really is.  I learned the hard (and embarrassed) way.

I'm sticking with a write-in vote for Ron Paul.  I will never again look back, as I have with George Bush (either I or II) feeling guilty over having helped put a candidate in office.  If I can't support the man (or woman - I don't care which ) wholeheartedly, I'm going to add a statistic that joins with others saying, "No!  I'm fed up with the usual offering of establishment, 2-party candidates, and I will not support them.  I have other ideas for this nation, and here they are: Ron Paul, Ron Paul, and Ron Paul in that order."

For what it's worth, I urge other true Ron Paul supporters - those who have taken the time to really research what he stands for (and has for 30 years) - to vote your conscience and register a vote for true freedom.  He won't win the Presidency, of course.  But our voices will be heard by at least a few, and we'll keep adding to the numbers of those who truly do value freedom.  It's a process that will continue long after Ron Paul (and some of us) will be around - if we keep the Revolution going.

I can support the platform of the Constitution Party, overall, but cannot in good conscience support the garbage Jim Clymer has been actually recruiting to run for President - they're either unqualified, or not what we want (particularly Keyes).  And though I thought I'd go Libertarian as an alternative, that's not my heart either, so I'm not going to vote for whoever they run for President.  (NOTE: I strongly support Libertarian Allen Buckley to replace Saxby Chambliss, however).

If we bail out on the concepts Ron Paul has been pushing for more than 3 decades (I've personally followed him since the early 1980s), then we deserve whatever we get.

"Nuf said.

Chris


At 10:59 PM 4/24/2008, you wrote:

Please do not vote for Alan Keyes.  He's a warmonger and pro-UN.

The following is a list of articles why you should not support Alan Keyes.
http://conservativetimes.org/?cat=57

On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 11:46 PM, jairus adams < [address removed]> wrote:

well, chris WELL put but looking at the first of your writing i think of what i plan on doing for my voting choice coming up.  i believe if Paul were running and if hes still accepting the vote, i will vote for him hands down but if i hear keyes is running, of who i wanted in 2000 and wasnt old enough to vote i will have to vote for keyes or at least be from those two of paul or keyes. now if either do not show any interest in being president although they formally accept the job just on a whim of luck? then i might just have to bypass the popular democratic with a republican democratic choice of dennis kicinich with a write in. i will not vote hillary or obama although i believe barack will win and i am prepared to settle as him our president although i will not vote for the man.  Jesus Christ is sitting at the right hand of the FATHER!  I'll have to choose HIM..

thanks,    jairUS

p.s. keep up with Godlin ess, it has great reward and i do mean thanks..

Chris Schmink <[address removed] > wrote:

Jairus (and others for whom I was too wordy - sorry),

If we were committed to Ron Paul and his philosophy before, I don't see a reason not to be now.  If we don't vote, the collective result of that gets interpreted as "voter apathy," signalling an "OK" to Washington to continue business as usual.  I propose we all ask for a write-in ballot at the polls in November, and write in Ron Paul, even though we know he won't win.  With that, we send a message that there are voters out here who really do care, who see what's going on in Washington, and are not giving up the fight.  I've abandoned my intention to vote 3rd party in November - I'm asking for a write-in ballot (for Ron Paul, of course).

Short enough for you? {grin}

Chris

At 09:34 PM 4/24/2008, you wrote:

could you please sum this up in a few sentences? too many thoughts here..

thanks, jairus    thanks(a thanks sandwich)

Chris Schmink <[address removed] > wrote:

All,

This gives me the opportunity to say what I've wanted to say for a while now, but didn't "get around to it."  I made a mistake.  (And that's a HUGE thing to get out of MY mouth - or fingers, as the case may be.) {{grin}}

Seriously, my thinking was very short-sighted when I announced that I will still vote, but would vote for a 3rd party.  I was wrong.  Oh, I was right about still voting, I was just wrong about voting for a 3rd party candidate.  My reasoning was, I believe, quite sound - make sure I register at least my one little "tick mark" on the wall of statistics produced with election retur ns in November.  I refuse to let the "establishment" candidates believe I've just given up, and I hope others feel exactly the same way.  But if I don't vote, that's the appearance.

So, what I'm going to do is vote my protest vote and also have a little fun in the process by getting to watch the "machine" from the Columbus Consolidated Government Center have little coronaries as they try to figure out how to process a write-in ballot.  Yes, I'm writing in Dr. Ron Paul, Congressman from the Texas 14th District.  I have absolutely no illusions that he'll get such a ground swell of votes that he'll win the Presidency.  I'll just be voting my conscience, and hope enough others feel the same way that our numbers will at least get reported.  And even if they don't, TPTB (the powers that be) will see it, and I sincerely hope it will be a statistically significant-enough number that it will plant a little fear in their hearts, realizing the Revolution ain't over - it's just begun.

So for me, forget the Constitution Party and the Libertarian Party - I was a supporter of Ron Paul from the early 80s, and I haven't changed my position.  He'll be back in Congress, and he'll know there is continued support by hundreds of thousands of votes.  Even if that's all he gets, each of those several hundred thousand people is representative of a considerably higher number that actually support but don't vote for him on election day.

But regardless of the numbers, I'm registering my vote for Ron Paul on a write-in ballot, knowing I did the right thing, then watching to see the official vote totals to see if I was counted.  Heck, if we all did that, and then met here to gather total numbers, we could compare that with what's actually reported in Muscogee County.  According to statistics I found on the internet, there were reportedly NO write-in votes in the 2004 election, and only 13 in the 2000 election.  If that's accurate, we could possibly at least get a small story out of it if we far surpass previous records for write-in ballots in Georgia.

Keep makin' noise!  Make sure the Revolution keeps going.  My Ron Paul Revolution sticker is still very much a part of my vehicle, and I'm going to make my own small noise on election day with a write-in ballot for Ron Paul.  I urge others to do the same.

Chris

At 02:19 PM 4/24/2008, you wrote:

The following is an excerpt from pg. 138 of The Case Against the Fed by Murray Rothbard:

Federal Reserve Notes, the legal monopoly of cash or "standard," money, now serves as the base of two inverted pyramids determining the supply of money in the country.  More precisely, the assets of the Federal Reserve Banks consist largely of two central items.  One is the gold originally confiscated from the public and later amassed by the Fed.  Interestingly enough, while Fed liabilities are no longer redeemable in gold, the Fed safeguards it gold by depositing it in the Treasury, which issues "gold certificates" guaranteed to be backed by no less than 100 percent in gold bullion buried in Fort Knox and other Treasury depositories.  It is surely fitting that the only honest warehousing left in the monetary system is between two different agencies of the federal government: the Fed makes sure that its receipts at the Treasury are backed 100 percent in the Treasury vaults, whereas the Fed does not accord any of its creditors that high privilege.

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"The moral and constitutional obligations of our representatives in Washington are to protect our liberty, not coddle the world, precipitating no-win wars, while bringing bankruptcy and economic turmoil to our people." Freedom Under Siege, 1987 by Ron Paul

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